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How to tell age of your Chassis on your VW???

Postby Jerry » 01 Mon Jun, 2009 3:52 pm

(I POSTED MORE PICS) For example my chassis number is * 1432722990 * I didn't know back then so I titled mine as a 1967...? lol... I think is a 1972...


I still dont know? How do U tell?



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Postby BrianB » 01 Mon Jun, 2009 3:55 pm

I think if you go on THE SAMBA they have a birthdate chart that goes by VIN# and Motor#
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Postby CoryN » 01 Mon Jun, 2009 5:19 pm

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Do I have to match em up? cause They dont match to the chart

Postby Jerry » 04 Thu Jun, 2009 8:22 pm

I know I've been on the Samba site, But I must be too dumb to or they just dont match up with my numbers!

* 1 4 3 2 7 2 2 9 9 0 * :idea: HELP! I wanna know what year my frame is...
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Postby Don » 05 Fri Jun, 2009 7:03 am

I couldn't figure it out either. I would pose the question on the Samba in one of the Beetle forums.
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Re: Do I have to match em up? cause They dont match to the c

Postby BrianB » 05 Fri Jun, 2009 8:26 am

Jerry wrote:I know I've been on the Samba site, But I must be too dumb to or they just dont match up with my numbers!

* 1 4 3 2 7 2 2 9 9 0 * :idea: HELP! I wanna know what year my frame is...
send me the pics and I'll put them up for you. Seems like you either have too many numbers or not enough numbers. You wernt stuttering when you were writing were you? :P
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Postby blackthree4me » 05 Fri Jun, 2009 12:33 pm

another link

http://www.aircooled.net/gnrlsite/resou ... umbers.htm
Basic identification is as follows
Anything with a swing axil and link pin front end is pre 1967
1967 - 1968 chassies have swing axil trans and ball joit fron ends.
post 1968 has an IRS with a ball joint front end
and 1970 introduced the Mc Strutt to Supper beetle

once you know which of the three you have there arnt much changes by year anymore.
say most link pins run the same parts.
ball joints same parts.
swing axil ECT.

hope this helps a bit

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Postby Don » 05 Fri Jun, 2009 1:59 pm

Unfortunately, it can get a bit more complicated. My chassis code is a '63 but I have a ball joint front end. Someone must have replaced the frame head.
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Postby CoryN » 05 Fri Jun, 2009 2:07 pm

I've seen them where the vin number doesn't match the pan either.
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Postby Jerry » 06 Sat Jun, 2009 5:29 pm

Wow!
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Postby Jerry » 08 Mon Jun, 2009 8:47 am

Got my pic thing going! Thanks Brad..! I will be posting more soon... yyyiiippppeeyeyy :D
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Postby BrianB » 08 Mon Jun, 2009 9:13 am

Jerry wrote:Got my pic thing going! Thanks Brad..! I will be posting more soon... yyyiiippppeeyeyy :D
I was just getting ready to post them and I see that you got it covered. I wonder if its a Type three pan?
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Postby CoryN » 08 Mon Jun, 2009 12:06 pm

July 1973 Ghia?
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Postby Don » 08 Mon Jun, 2009 4:28 pm

Is there any difference between a Ghia chassis and a Beetle?
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Postby CoryN » 08 Mon Jun, 2009 4:38 pm

I believe the only difference is the size/shape of the floorpans, which could have been replaced anyway.
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Postby Jerry » 08 Mon Jun, 2009 8:21 pm

I can't believe I'm stomping U guys with the year of my Buggy! Here's more pics of the front end...
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So far I know the front end is BALL JOINt, learned it because im planning to install front and rear disc brake kit..!

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That is the left rear!
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This is the right rear!
Can any body tell me what kind if rear end is in this vehicle, like swing axle or what ever? INFO???
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Rear.... 8-)
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Postby GregR » 08 Mon Jun, 2009 8:29 pm

you have an IRS rear end and a chassis from a 1973 Ghia

http://www.type-14.com/ for Ghia serial numbers
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Postby Jerry » 08 Mon Jun, 2009 11:14 pm

Great Thank U..! Does this mean I have to leave this site and go to Ghia forum? What does a rear IRS mean? Thank U very much..!
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Postby Jerry » 08 Mon Jun, 2009 11:28 pm

Production Range: Chassis Start: Chassis End:
1956 Jan.56 - Dec.56, 929 746, 1 394 118.
1957 Jan.57 - Dec.57, 1 394 119, 1 600 439.
1958 Jan.58 - Jul.58, 1 600 440, 1 774 680.
1959 Aug.58 - Jul.59, 1 774 681, 2 528 667.
1960 Aug.59 - Jul.60, 2 528 668, 3 192 506.
1961 Aug.60 - Jul.61, 3 192 507, 4 010 994.
1962 Aug.61 - Jul.62, 4 010 995, 4 846 835.
1963 Aug.62 - Jul.63, 4 846 836, 5 677 118.
1964 Aug.63 - Jul.64, 5 677 119, 6 502 399.
1965 Aug.64 - Jul.65, 145 000 001, 145 999 000.
1966 Aug.65 - Jul.66, 146 000 001, 146 1021 300.
1967 Aug.66 - Jul.67, 147 000 001, 147 999 000.
1968 Aug.66 - Jul.68, 148 000 001, 148 1016 100.
1969 Aug.68 - Jul.69, 149 000 001, 149 1200 000.
1970 Aug.69 - Jul.70, 140 2000 001, 140 3100 000.
1971 Aug.70 - Jul.71, 141 2000 001, 141 3200 000.
1972 Aug.71 - Jul.72, 142 2000 001, 142 3200 000.
1973 Aug.72 - Jul.73, 143 2000 001, 143 3200 000.
1974 Aug.73 - Jul.74, 144 2000 001, 144 2999 000.
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Postby BrianB » 09 Tue Jun, 2009 5:25 am

Jerry wrote:Great Thank U..! Does this mean I have to leave this site and go to Ghia forum? What does a rear IRS mean? Thank U very much..!
Independent rear suspension :D
That motor looks pretty nice. What kind of tail lights are those? They look like early 60's chevy. Do you have a wider view of the back end? Good looking car by the way.
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Postby blackthree4me » 09 Tue Jun, 2009 11:21 am

1973 Ghia per the # Thats what had us stumped, but its posible.
The Ball joint front end and IRS transaxil in the rear confirm the 1973 BOD

Most likely when the chassie was shortened it had beetle replacement pans installed to fit he buggy, as ghia pans will not fit.
If you can, check the weld of the frame behind the E brake for cracks.

realy nice car :D
I would put those freeloading carwashers in the Pic to work
I see some hardware in your future.

Realy with a bit of simpel green that car will realy come alive it has all the right hardware to be allot of fun for you and your family.

A roll bar and good seat belts are first on the list.
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Postby blackthree4me » 09 Tue Jun, 2009 11:28 am

In photos #4 and #8 the transaxil drive shaft boot is torn

That will require repair sooner than later.
:( later will cost more than it is already going to cost :cry:
a good repair manual will be in order as well :D
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Postby jspbtown » 09 Tue Jun, 2009 12:14 pm

Check your brakes too. Seeing sealer on the threads of your brake line to wheel cylinder connection is never a good thing. No reason for sealer there.
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Postby Aquabuggy » 09 Tue Jun, 2009 3:14 pm

Just an observation, didn't late model Ghia's have front disc brakes?

You never know what's been done to these buggies/pans over the years like vin swaps, Nooo :shock: no one would ever do that kinda stuff. :lol:
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Postby Jack Duncan » 09 Tue Jun, 2009 7:55 pm

The chassis looks just like my 70 Bug chassis. I looked for the difference but can't see any. :)
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Postby Jerry » 10 Wed Jun, 2009 3:30 pm

Wow! LUV this forum... Front end is Ball Joint, Rear end is IRS, Frame must of been shortend (look for a weld or cracks) to confirm, right?. Chassis is from a VW Ghia, according to the chart is a 73, and I got some workers on the pics that need to get working & washing the Buggy..! LOL ... I'm doing my home work now, I wanna do front & rear Disc Brake kit with E-brake. Can I do it? and is Ebay the best place to get the kits???
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Postby Aquabuggy » 10 Wed Jun, 2009 9:22 pm

Jerry wrote:Can I do it? and is Ebay the best place to get the kits???

Yes you can and ebay probably is not the best place for disc kits.

Check with Texasbuggys or Hawkeye buggies or Action imports or socal imports or lots of others, grab a hot VWs magazine.
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Postby blackthree4me » 11 Thu Jun, 2009 12:08 pm

yah a ghia would have had disc on the front I should have known that

Short buggys have the frames shotened 14 1/2 " they usualy cut them behind the E brake mount

I would inspect that area closely if you did not build the car .
I have seen many that were on the verge of breaking.
corectly built would have those slots welded shut wont be needing the heater vents with a buggy.
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Postby Jerry » 16 Sun Aug, 2009 5:09 pm

BrianB wrote:
Jerry wrote:Great Thank U..! Does this mean I have to leave this site and go to Ghia forum? What does a rear IRS mean? Thank U very much..!
Independent rear suspension :D
That motor looks pretty nice. What kind of tail lights are those? They look like early 60's chevy. Do you have a wider view of the back end? Good looking car by the way.


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Postby Bill K » 16 Sun Aug, 2009 10:57 pm

Steve O is very right about inspecting the cut area. My chassis was on the verge of breaking in two with a terrible butt weld.

I ended up with a piece of lap plate over the joint area, and feel very comofortable with that.

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Postby Jerry » 19 Wed Aug, 2009 4:23 pm

Holy pshaw... ;-) Lucky U noticed the weld.


Well I ordered my new Disc Brake kit from EMPI, no more drums. All four new disc brake kit, plus dropped spindels 2.5" front, and also E-brake on the rear..! Wonder who's gonna stop me now! 8-) .......

I took disc brakes to machine shop to get them new bolt patter of 5x112mm drill. I have some AMG rims in my garage that I plan to put on. Suprisingly NO one does adapters for 5X112MM. Cant wait to see how thats gonna look! I will post pics on how those will look...
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Postby Jerry » 21 Fri Aug, 2009 6:45 pm

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Heres a little taste of Whats comming to ya..!

18' AMG rims
Disc brake rotor, with calipers
2.5" Drop spindle
I'll post some new pics as soon as I get all four done..! 8-)
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