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by **bobaganoosh** » 11 Tue Jul, 2006 8:06 pm

I need to know the location of the sparkplug wires on the cap for a 73 westy it's a type 4 motor. I'm not for sure the if the spark plug wires are in the correct position on the cap

I need to know now

thanks

mike

by **carlos del carpio** » 11 Tue Jul, 2006 8:39 pm

ON the type 4, you can see a mark on the lip of the distributor, towards the rear... ..that notch is where #1 fires...

..and going counter clockwise, it's #2, #3, and #4 cylinder....

but, by quickly cranking the engine, you can tell if it's order #1, #4, #3, #2, at least on the dist. side...

by **bobaganoosh** » 11 Tue Jul, 2006 9:12 pm

one more question is what is the cylinder order? there are no markings on the tins and I don't know a whole lot about the motors yet

mike

by **bobaganoosh** » 11 Tue Jul, 2006 9:33 pm

scratch that after moving the snake skins out of the way I found some very faint markings for the cylinder order.

but when you say rear do you mean toward the rear of the bus or the rear of the engine compartment

after rearranging the firing order and changing the points it still won't turn over.

I need real help

mike

by **carlos del carpio** » 12 Wed Jul, 2006 12:25 am

The type 4 is like the type 1, the mark would be away from the front of the vehicle..

by **GregR** » 12 Wed Jul, 2006 8:22 am

yup,
rear is the rear of the vehicle and front is the front of the vehicle.
Standing at the rear of the vehicle # 1 is on the passenger side toward the front. #2 Passenger side rear, #3 Driver side front, #4 Driver side rear.

by **blackthree4me** » 12 Wed Jul, 2006 7:08 pm

turn over meaning running
all you need is spark air and fuel
first start with fuel
is it getting gass turn it over and pull a plug to see if it has gas on the plug
is it getting air
dirt dobers can cause havock inside LOL
then go to plug wires
then check spark one plug at a time
as described above
even if its wrong it will pop and back fire if you got fuel and spark
then we can go to points and coils and such
I take it you found a good deal and they told you to get it outa there?
blackthree4me

by **carlos del carpio** » 12 Wed Jul, 2006 9:31 pm

On my baja buggy, it's a solid colored distributor cap... when it comes for testing, I have one of those translucent blue ones, GREAT for troubleshooting ONLY... you can see the spark hit, etc...

by **David O'** » 13 Thu Jul, 2006 1:39 am

#1 is the point on the case of the distributor that has the small line, I think that I talked to you on the phone, if I did, then you know what the problem is.

by **carlos del carpio** » 13 Thu Jul, 2006 4:14 am

Don't keep us in suspense...WHAT HAPPENED??????????? :lol:

by **bobaganoosh** » 13 Thu Jul, 2006 11:27 am

still won't start.

I'm pretty sure I'm doing something wrong

I pulled the carb and there is gas in the intake so I konw there's fuel there but I'm gonna have to start over or something

thanks for all the help. code enforcement is giving me till monday to get it running

I bought this westy for $200 and it is almost complete and very minimal rust only one point of body damage that is not to bad. so this was a good project to get and the price was right.

mike

by **blackthree4me** » 14 Fri Jul, 2006 9:52 am

pull each plug one at a time turn it over make sure you have spark at the plug tip
if you go thru all four at least you know you got fire in all the holes
do we have that now?
if so that eliminates most of the electrical functions thats a pluss
do it first
if not back track the spark rout to cap, coil, batery
then you can start trying to Identifie if it s firing at the correct time
let me look at the book tonight for firing orders and such PM me your
# then and I will give you a call maybe we can work thru it together
blackthree4me

by **MURZ** » 14 Fri Jul, 2006 12:19 pm

Mike this is really comprehensive. With pics too!!!!!

http://www.ratwell.com/technical/FAQ.html

The firing order is 1-4-3-2. Looking at the engine from the rear it's:

firewall
3 1
4 2
muffler

The numbers are writing on the tin of the Type 4 engine but your tin is probably so rusty you can see the numbers by the spark plug holes. The firing order is also written on the tin above the coil, and on the Type I engine it's stamped on the generator stand. Look for the word Zundfolge which is German for "firing order".

by **bobaganoosh** » 14 Fri Jul, 2006 4:30 pm

thanks murz

I have had the wires in the wrong spot the entire time

so after I change them I'll post and update

mike

by **MURZ** » 14 Fri Jul, 2006 9:26 pm

Mike, that diagram was not for the dizzy, just cylinder orientation. First thing you need to do is find TDC on number one and then look to see where the rotor is pointing, then work from there. Stick your thumb, or a friends :lol:

, thumb over the #1 spark plug jole and slowly turn over the engine until you thumb pops off from compression and that will be close to TDC. Look at the rotor in the dizzy and work from there.

Another trick is on engines that have not cranked in a while is to pour some oil down the throat of the carb to help build initial compression. Call me Sat if you get stumped.
MURZ
985-807-6879

by **David O'** » 14 Fri Jul, 2006 10:22 pm

Call me and I will come over there and figure it out, it sounds like the needle and seat unit is stuck and the points are not set right. I know that I can help with this is you will call and let me know a time!

by **bobaganoosh** » 15 Sat Jul, 2006 9:36 pm

many many thanks to my friend tim and david O for coming over and helping figure out the mess.

turns out the valves are so messed up that the intake valve was still opened when detonating and the fire was coming up the intake pipe so a vavle job is desperately needed.

mike

by **carlos del carpio** » 15 Sat Jul, 2006 10:55 pm

WOW, that's what it is all about.. helping each other! I hope one day I get to assist fellow club members! Having the valves messed up isn't something easily detected! wow!

by **blackthree4me** » 21 Fri Jul, 2006 10:23 am

beond my technical expertiese glad david came over
he master
you grass hopper
blackthree4me

by **bobaganoosh** » 21 Fri Jul, 2006 4:54 pm

eight little indians man all it is, is eight little indians

david can explain but it may have to be in person since he uses his fingers

mike

by **GregR** » 22 Sat Jul, 2006 9:52 am

Yup he explained it that way to me as well. Problem is I keep getting messed up with 10 little Indians...then I discover I have toes too !!!! :lol:

His method really works great.

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